If you visited here to see the response to the question in Grace’s bulletin, here’s the quick response:
- Haven't we run out of questions yet? Well, no. Exploring questions about my faith help me better understand what I believe and don’t believe, and bring me closer to God. The questions evolve and, even if they don’t, the answers often do.
- Are we going to keep asking and exploring questions through the summer? I’m not sure how many folks from Grace actually read the blog (the recent Adult Discipleship evaluation suggests not too many), if blogspot’s stats are to be believed, several somebodys are checking things out each week. So, we'll give it a try for a while longer.
That was going to be the quick Memorial Day weekend post since a lot of folks will probably be kicking off summer and won’t be checking blogs (or at least that’s how it should be). But, in the aftermath of the tornado that devastated Moore, Oklahoma, some Christians made declarations along the lines of the tornadoes being part of God’s work either to punish us for something we've done or to call us to repent. We've explored whether natural disasters were part of God’s wrath after hurricane Sandy hit the east coast. Not that we “resolved” anything, but I want to look at a different question… or at least point you to a post that does just that.
Chaplain Mike provided a good write-up this week about the controversy stirred up by a couple of tweets by John Piper and the reactions to those tweets at the Internet Monk. Referring to the book of Job, he says that what we should be offering is “expressions of solidarity and mutual grief,” not theological explanations or moralizing (what makes for miserable comforting):
Even with both tweets, perhaps especially because of both tweets, Piper represents a “miserable comforter” who, remarkably, still has not learned the wisdom of Qoheleth: there is “…a time to keep silence, and a time to speak” (Eccles. 3:7).
I have heard many such things; miserable comforters are you all. Have windy words no limit? Or what provokes you that you keep on talking?- Job 16:2-3 (NRSV)
By steadfastly refusing to be silent, to take his place by the side of those who are suffering with mouth shut and heart open wide, he misses the point of the very Bible book he cites in a misguided attempt to bring theological perspective to the Oklahoma disaster.
Now when Job’s three friends heard of all these troubles that had come upon him, each of them set out from his home—Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite. They met together to go and console and comfort him. When they saw him from a distance, they did not recognize him, and they raised their voices and wept aloud; they tore their robes and threw dust in the air upon their heads. They sat with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his suffering was very great.- Job 2:11-13 (NRSV)
This is the high point of the three companions’ friendship and ministry to Job. Silence. Tears. Presence. Symbolic expressions of solidarity and mutual grief.
Once they opened their mouths, it was all downhill. They became “miserable comforters.” It is not simply a matter of timing. The friends’ words came after the accepted period of silent mourning. Their words were wrong. And so it is with John Piper. It is not as though Piper’s words, inappropriate in the tender moment, would be appropriate once wounds have healed somewhat, once things have calmed down and we have time to gain perspective on the tragedy. No, his understanding and application of the book of Job is wrong. He has taken his place with Job’s friends, not with the argument of the text.
Chaplain Mike describes Job as one of those “conversations in God’s kitchen” where a variety of viewpoints are presented and argued (one of the reasons we’re called to engage with the Bible). He argues that the book of Job counters the concept of God as vengeful enforcer of the law:
The argument of the book is that the approach of Deuteronomy and Proverbs is too simplistic, too pat. God is bigger than the sovereign, retributive monarch that those traditions made him out to be. His ways are more complex, mysterious, and unexplainable than obedience – blessing/disobedience – curse.
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How should we respond? How would Jesus respond to such a tragedy? How would he respond to those who say either God is punishing us for our sins? Shouldn’t we do the same? And how should we respond when we think that something being espoused as a "Christian response" conflicts with the Gospels?
I have actually enjoyed reading Job over the years. It is truly "one man's triumphant over adversity". In this case, Job was truly a righteous man, but God let all these bad things happen to him anyway. Although it sees to appear in the Bible that the Devil convinced God to let this happen,
ReplyDeleteJOB 1 9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” 12 The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
I really don't believe the Devil could convince God to do anything. God knows how deceitful and crafty the devil is, so he may have played along with him. So why would God let this happen?? For us, this is always the great mystery. In Job's case, he is truly a righteous man, but all of the bad things happen to him.
In all human tragedies, we wonder why God allows this to happen. God only knows the answer to that question so why do we always want to figure it out? When a human tragedy occurs we should pray for the people impacted, help with resources (time, talent and money) if we can, but we should never try to provide an answer to the question WHY? When people start blaming and persecuting other people for their misery, I think of Jesus' answer to the Pharisees when they wanted to stone the adulterer for her sins,
John 8 3 And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst, 4 they say unto him, Teacher, this woman hath been taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such: what then sayest thou of her? 6 And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
A few random thoughts.
ReplyDeleteFirst, unless you believe that everything in life is a punishment or reward from God, how can you tell the difference between God’s will and random chance? An then how can you possibly believe that everything in life is a reward or punishment from God when so many evil people and bad deeds go unpunished?
Second, I think that most of the smiting in the Bible happens to God’s chosen people, the Jews, in the Old Testament. Perhaps the reason they’re called chosen is because they were to demonstrate God’s sovereignty to the other people in a very crude and violent world. Unless you count modern day Jews and us Presbyterians as the frozen chosen, all these natural disasters don’t fall for the most part on God’s chosen people.
Finally, Tim Keller offers an interesting perspective on suffering and what Job has to teach us. He says that God permits suffering only to the extent that it defeats Satan’s intentions or it makes you a better person (like it did both in Job). He breaks it down into three points:
a. Avoid pat answers. Job never learns why he suffers, but responds by loving God. To truly serve God, you must be in a position of getting nothing out of serving Him. Then God can use suffering to turn you into the person that only suffering can help you to be.
b. Embrace suffering without knowing why. If the foundation of your life is things like money, power, fame, etc, then those things can be ripped away in a second. If you build your life around God, suffering will only drive you deeper into your source of joy.
c. Anticipate the final answer. Jesus is the only person God promised to utterly destroy if he followed Him. Just embrace the mystery of why you’re suffering and learn to love God for himself. Otherwise, you’re just making an exchange; you’re just trying to manipulate God.
The whole sermon can be found at http://sermons2.redeemer.com/sermons/questions-suffering.